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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon

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stripler join me as i examine

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unexplained creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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folks good evening welcome to another

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episode of arcane radio where we explore

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the unexplained

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live on beyond explanation i'm your host

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lon strickler

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coming to you within a candid shot of

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historic gettysburg pennsylvania

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so a quick note uh like we normally say

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begin the show arcane radio and beyond

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i am gonna i'm gonna basically talk

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about

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the cryptid activity and reports that

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we've been picking up lately you know

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we've received three

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wing being reports in the chicago region

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over the past

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stan gordon has reported on two supposed

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thunderbird sightings in and around

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green greensburg

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uh pennsylvania and a bigfoot encounter

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in fayette county

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that was uh just reported this past

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week or so and that was sent over to

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eric over at the pennsylvania bigfoot

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society

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so if you have an encounter sighting

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feel free to contact me at

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lawnstripperfansmonsters.com or call me

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directly uh using the phone number

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posted at phantomsomemonsters.com so

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tonight i welcome paranormal researcher

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author

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and into the fray podcaster shannon

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shannon has been interested in

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paranormal ever since she was a teen

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after her own paranormal sighting of

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something truly anomalous

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and although it's not what her encounter

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entailed

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is one of her passions as a subject with

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sasquatch

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she strives to bring a fresh perspective

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and an open mind to the most intriguing

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mysteries in our universe

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she is a host and producer of the

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popular podcast into the fray

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and can also be heard as a guest host on

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midnight in the desert

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you can also see her in several small

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town monsters production

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including on the trail of bigfoot and on

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the trail of ufos and uh there's a new

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and it just was uh like they just

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filming this week so um her weekly show

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has shannon speaking to witnesses of

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cryptids ufos of various aspects

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of the paranormal she has co-authored

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and the paranormal and

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she founded beyond fray publishing as

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well doing very well

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uh shannon's website is into thefray.com

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shannon thanks for joining me well thank

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you lon very happy to be back on with

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so let's uh let's kind of go over again

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how you got involved in all this uh how

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your path to what you do now

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absolutely so yeah i guess we all have

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inception stories right and i certainly

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and mine was and i apologize i know a

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probably heard me tell this a lot but if

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there are a couple that haven't heard it

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they may wonder why i'm

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i'm into the weird so i'm going to tell

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it again sorry guys

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just bear with me so around 12 years old

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and my dad has a cabin in in utah in

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duck creek utah to be

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specific duck creek is a place where a

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lot of los vegas like to go

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fishing or falling on this particular

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forward and i just want to go ahead and

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right off the bat that my dad had gone

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down into cedar city to do

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something or other so i

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decided not to wear my helmet which is

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not a smart idea uh

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for anybody to do if you're writing such

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a thing so that comes into play

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uh later and you'll find out why so i

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had no helmet and no goggles on

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and the way that the roads there are set

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up they're not really they're roads but

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paved so they're dirt so my brothers are

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pretty rural area and laid back so

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dust in my face because i don't have

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those goggles and i don't have that

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and at some point i look off into the

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to my right and now it's broad daylight

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right i can see

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four pitch black what we now would call

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shadow figures shadow people whatever

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really moving at a good clip on my

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four-wheeler and

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this of course immediately catches my

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attention because i know that they are

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very very odd these are not people they

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beyond completely devoid of light it was

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almost like

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they were the cut outs of the deepest

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darkest night and somehow

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still darker than that no light touched

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them uh

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also interesting to note it wasn't like

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they were running through the trees it's

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just like the trees weren't affecting

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them they didn't have to

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dodge or duck any trees

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they were not in their way in any way

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shape or form

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and they were moving their arms and legs

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while they were running which

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immediately also made me go why do you

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guys need to do that

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uh i watched them for about five seconds

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a full five seconds pretty good amount

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of time before i

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figured i had to check my path in front

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of me which i did

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and i immediately looked back and they

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were gone and

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those five seconds was all it took

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granted i didn't really talk about this

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experience until i mean 30 years later

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when i was on sasquatch chronicles when

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i really had told it

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in full for the very first time it was

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strike that let let me say for the

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second time

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but the first time was to my father

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right after it happened he got back

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and i told him and he said oh they do

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military exercises out here all the time

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he's a military guy so

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that was um not that that shut me down

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all the way

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but it it definitely kind of makes you

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go oh okay

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i'll just zip my lips about that you

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something similar along that when you

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they didn't look over they didn't wave

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mention a

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a whisper of a head turn towards me even

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20 to 30 yards within the the forest

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utah had almost no ground brush

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it was just those aspen trees they're

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very skinny very tall

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no ground brush i saw them perfectly

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fine so i just

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think that i got a glimpse maybe into

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another realm another dimension there

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for a few seconds and i don't even know

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if they were aware that i was there but

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know yeah so you you really have no idea

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what it was

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no and i wouldn't pretend to you know be

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one of those people that says i know

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because i absolutely

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do not it was pretty cool to run to see

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them

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keeping pace with me as i'm really

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hauling tushy on my

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four-wheeler i was going up the cliff i

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your kids and of course i still tend to

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drive a little fast

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now but uh you know you're reckless and

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you're you may be driving a little

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quicker than you should but um

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yeah i i didn't write after that for a

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couple of days because it really did

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shake me up enough i mean it didn't

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terrify me or anything but um

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it was enough for me to to go hey let's

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just go uh let's go fishing or let's

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hang out at the cabin and my brother's

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like what is your problem

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they didn't understand at all

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became interested in sasquatch and how

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did that work

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you know what i i don't have really an

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inception story into that a lot of

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people were like i have

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you know i saw boggy creek or i you know

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i really don't have a good story for

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that i'm really boring in that aspect i

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just

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never stopped for me and then

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i found podcasts at some point because i

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had been consuming books and all

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whatever i could get my hands on and

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then podcasts i found those

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and that's all i would listen to i mean

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i'd listen to you

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i'd listen to i mean all you guys that

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have been in this for a very long time

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i was consuming all i could and then

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actually books got put down

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on the back burner and podcast became my

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main way of consuming

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these stories from these experiencers

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you know it it's kind of difficult for

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me to understand how people even get

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into the

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bigfoot sasquatch or cryptids in general

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unless they had an encounter and i've

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been fortunate enough to have an

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encounter

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and uh you know i can understand it on

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that level

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because you know all i ever did before

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was just paranormal investigations you

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know homes and businesses and such

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of bumps in the night and other strange

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phenomena but

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when i did have that encounter in 81

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well that just changed

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forever and how does anybody really get

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into this

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you know other than being pushed into it

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some other way

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i i just find that a little difficult

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but you know i can understand it you

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know it's something

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people want to know what thing you know

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what goes on and uh you know it just

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becomes

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comes for a lot of people obsession but

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you know yeah we all become a enthusiast

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of a lot of different things for a lot

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of different reasons

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yeah i mean did you did you go fishing

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long after that experience their lawn i

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mean you know go down by the water and

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enjoy it quite quite i'll be honest with

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you i had never gone fishing there again

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i don't know if that's the reason why

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you know life

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life happens so you never know uh you

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know it's a story

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that i didn't i didn't tell many people

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about

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for years uh until maybe

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1995 which was like

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14 years later when the bfro mistake

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we're taking reports

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and i called the local bfro investigator

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and i told him about it

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that's the first that's the first that

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really got out yeah

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but uh yeah uh no i'm you know but i did

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start getting interested in it you know

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the uh the whole

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big sykesville monster phenomena which

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would have

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actually happened years before that but

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uh that area still has a lot of

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sightings even though it's much more you

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know it's

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built up a lot now you know but that

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that part of the state park

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well even all the patapsco state park

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has had a lot of phenomena

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including a lot of ufo activity

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what do you think and sorry to flip this

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grip here real quick but

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what what would you change about your

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your sighting you know would have been

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closer farther what

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i mean what what details maybe would you

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have

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changed about how you saw it or where

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you saw it

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well not nothing really other than the

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fact

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you know of course there was all this

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government involvement

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you know right after it happened which

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kind of confused me for a long time

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and i didn't really know why

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that became part of what i had

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experienced

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uh you know when i first saw that thing

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it it it looked like a neanderthal or

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what a

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wreck you know of the uh description of

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a neanderthal would have been

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and that's what i referred to it being

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like a uh

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an early caveman or something to that

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effect you know because it didn't look

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more human than it did

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you know uh ape or you know so

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um you know that's why i really say a

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whole lot but of course when all

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this you know when i went back and all

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these

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and you know local authorities

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you know it that just went into an

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entirely different realm

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and that's why i think that's really why

401
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i became more interested

402
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because i was kind of surprised

403
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that they would really be interested in

404
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what

405
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i had seen and

406
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apparently someone else well i know

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someone had seen it

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earlier that same day and they were

409
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chasing it so

410
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i don't know what the whole situation

411
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was

412
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but i think this thing i think this

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thing

414
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probably escaped from somewhere now this

415
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the area where i lived at was between

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baltimore and washington and you know

417
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there's a lot of government facilities

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all around there that we have no idea

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what's going on

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yeah and uh i i think there was

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something involved there

422
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so you know it's you know and over the

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years

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the you know investigating uh

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the bigfoot activity and some of the

426
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other stuff that happened around that

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baltimore washington metro area uh i

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i've become pretty convinced that that

429
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may be what

430
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happened the implications of that though

431
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you know and and it being the more

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human-looking kind

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escaping from a a human facility

434
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uh that's a a whole nother can of

435
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terrifying worms right there

436
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yeah i mean it it's i don't know i i

437
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just

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time and you know

439
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every once in a while it'll come back to

440
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me like you know but what's this

441
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,279
why was that did that happen why did it

442
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become more involved like that

443
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you know when my story first came out

444
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when they actually did the filming

445
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uh on uh monsters and mysteries of

446
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america and it came out

447
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i a lot of people were surprised that

448
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you know

449
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that did actually happen as far as with

450
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the government involved and you know

451
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the police and everything because quite

452
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frankly you know you don't hear a whole

453
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lot about that though we know it does

454
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happen

455
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occasionally but uh yeah

456
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i i think that the uh i think the

457
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government's very involved with the

458
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:43,680
bigfoot phenomenon

459
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:46,399
i've always said that as much as i want

460
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to see a bigfoot i want that

461
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:49,360
confirmation experience i've had a

462
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couple of

463
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interesting auditory experiences that

464
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may have been bigfoot i can't say right

465
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because i didn't see

466
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i think that for me personally and i

467
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:59,680
could be way off but i think for me

468
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:00,720
personally

469
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to see one of the more human-looking

470
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,319
faced sasquatch would i don't

471
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,559
i don't mess me up would be the term or

472
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,480
you know bother me more

473
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uh or maybe just because there's more

474
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,520
questions there

475
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:17,280
about things that maybe you know people

476
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:18,640
find very uncomfortable

477
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:21,760
with a more human looking bigfoot

478
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yeah and that's kind of what confused me

479
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because uh

480
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you know around the time i had seen this

481
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thing you know the boggy creek thing

482
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had been out the movie and most of the

483
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:33,039
bigfoot sightings that you heard about

484
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:33,679
of course but

485
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,480
the patterson gimlin film looked like

486
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what people described as a bigfoot it

487
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didn't look

488
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much like what i saw yeah what i saw was

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different more human but i mean this

490
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thing was huge and

491
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uh but since i have gotten involved with

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this and then

493
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over the years these settings are fairly

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common

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especially on the east coast uh the

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the the more human aspect

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having a more human aspect of a lot of

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these settings is

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is pretty i'd say more uh

500
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more relevant here on the east coast

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yeah

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i definitely agree with that i think on

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the on the west we have the

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the classic you know pacific northwest

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massive

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apes just straight up well if you wanna

507
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whatever you wanna call the ape looking

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gorilla looking creature

509
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is does seem to be more prevalent out

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this way

511
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yeah and you know and i do believe that

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the settings that are in northern

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california

514
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northward up into british columbia i i

515
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think for the most part that those

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are actual indigenous beings i mean

517
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you know of course you see people see a

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lot

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groups

520
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in that area and i i think that is is

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probably an indigenous being in that in

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that area

523
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but of course you know here in

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pennsylvania in

525
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in you know in the upper midwest and

526
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such i don't think that's the case

527
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and i still say that people there's

528
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always an argument about it that

529
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well you know where they coming from

530
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:11,039
well

531
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most of the time we say singular bigfoot

532
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or singular creature and

533
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uh why is that very rarely do we see

534
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uh juveniles are are two at a time

535
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it's usually something that shows up

536
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:29,520
quickly

537
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heard stan's story about you know with

538
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:39,520
the ufo involvement and such out at

539
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,400
chestnut ridge and there's a you know we

540
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,160
hear a lot of stories around here of

541
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,720
uh paranormal like involvement with the

542
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,880
phenomena

543
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,200
i that's why i think there's something

544
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:53,039
there's definitely supernatural aspect

545
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,400
of the bigfoot

546
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,320
in this area and other areas but of

547
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,600
course

548
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in areas like like i said the uh pacific

549
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northwest

550
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,080
around the gulf of mexico into into

551
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,840
florida and maybe the whole way around

552
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,159
basically into texas i think a lot of

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those are indigenous beings

554
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,039
uh but i think what people are seeing

555
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,640
other than that

556
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:18,240
uh in other parts of the country may

557
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very well be a

558
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,640
supernatural being well i've always

559
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:24,000
wanted to ask you this and maybe it's

560
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null and void

561
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:28,240
if you know if you're on fully in kind

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00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:28,480
of

563
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,000
they do come in and out

564
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,480
say they're all in they're all all of

565
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:36,400
them that can be enter in

566
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,919
what kind of numbers are you thinking

567
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:42,240
but see that's tough i mean you know i i

568
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think if

569
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if these things even though they are

570
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,280
very elusive

571
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,840
and such if they were all indigenous

572
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:51,440
we'd definitely have a body but now i

573
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,080
think or

574
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,159
we'd have a live one or something like

575
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:56,880
that i think we'd have one i really do

576
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,240
uh thousands you know if they were

577
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,000
actually breeding

578
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,120
here it would be tens of thousands i

579
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,120
would i would definitely say

580
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,880
uh i mean you're i'm gonna get a lot of

581
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:11,120
pushback on that from people but i think

582
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,600
that's

583
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,400
the facts uh you know you're in trouble

584
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,240
now lon you're in big trouble

585
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,919
well you know that's nothing new for me

586
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,360
you know just like with what's been

587
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:23,120
going on in around chicago and lake

588
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,080
michigan

589
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,360
you know those beings those wing beans

590
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,000
are coming in and out quickly i mean

591
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,080
they're they're fleeting sightings

592
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,640
people see them and then some people

593
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,159
have actually seen them disappear

594
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,080
or they just take off somewhere and you

595
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:39,679
don't see it anymore

596
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,760
uh i i i do strongly believe that these

597
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,679
those have an interdimensional

598
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,320
supernatural aspect to them

599
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,760
and i i think the bigfoot phenomena

600
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,760
in these in these areas where they

601
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,039
probably

602
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,480
are not indigenous i think that's

603
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,720
possibly what's going on there and you

604
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,799
know we talk about the upright canines

605
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:04,720
and dog man i think the same thing there

606
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:04,960
i

607
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:10,320
whatever reason

608
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,240
are is the is the veil thinning of some

609
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,919
some way or are they able to get through

610
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:18,640
a rift and get into the same uh

611
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,280
get into our earth plane for some reason

612
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,520
maybe i mean you know but it just seems

613
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:26,960
awful strange

614
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:30,240
that we just not have found any real

615
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,679
physical evidence of these beings

616
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,640
yeah and i forget who it was i spoke to

617
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,400
i'm the worst with the actual numbers of

618
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,440
my show

619
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:42,559
episode numbers and such um it was

620
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,360
someone that

621
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:46,559
was a researcher and he would go out

622
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:47,520
quite often for

623
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,360
bigfoot purposes solely for bigfoot and

624
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:54,320
one day he had followed a very distinct

625
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,120
trackway

626
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:58,880
into a cops of trees and

627
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,840
it was literally like he said basically

628
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,679
like a circle not a perfect circle but

629
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,679
it was a circle of trees

630
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,200
nothing in the middle no way no how

631
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,600
that this thing could have done this but

632
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,440
he said the trackway just

633
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,840
ended in the middle of this stand of

634
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,799
trees

635
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,559
and you know he's looking up like where

636
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,480
did it go trees but

637
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,799
he's he's just going physically even

638
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,200
though yes it is a powerful being

639
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,960
there was no way that it could have

640
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,720
gotten

641
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,240
out of there the way that it did and

642
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,400
have this trackway just abruptly

643
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,600
end yeah yeah you know

644
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:38,159
when i when uh jc johnson was still

645
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,960
around he

646
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,000
ran into a lot of that out there in uh

647
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,840
in the four corners there he would they

648
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,600
would follow a track line

649
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520
and you know jack talks about it now as

650
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,600
well they'd find a track line and they'd

651
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,120
follow and the thing would just

652
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,600
stop yeah like this thing got a running

653
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,600
start and took off and

654
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,919
sprouted wings and left or went into

655
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,760
some other dimension or something

656
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:02,240
went into a portal you know it does

657
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,799
happen

658
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,080
and um you know we found out we found

659
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,919
the same thing with the uh

660
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,000
the upright canine phenomena where you

661
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:11,279
know you would just see it and all of a

662
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:12,240
sudden this thing would

663
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,159
be gone uh and people tell you that and

664
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,440
they you know the first thing they want

665
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,120
to know is well what's going on here

666
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,720
well

667
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,480
you know all i can do is take the

668
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,640
information from folks

669
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,520
and uh we can make some theories we can

670
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,000
be conjectures but you know

671
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:31,840
until we get any physical evidence or

672
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,880
get it on video or get it somewhere else

673
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,039
to where we you know

674
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,039
actually see something you know then you

675
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,480
know that all we can do is

676
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,200
you know use a theory or come up with

677
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,880
conjecture that's

678
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,240
that's just the bottom line at this

679
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,080
point wait we're not experts

680
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,600
long what are you saying yeah i mean you

681
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:52,880
know

682
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,159
they call you

683
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,400
or come in contact with you and ask you

684
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,279
about these things

685
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,279
of course they want answers you know

686
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,039
it's just like the thing uh that

687
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,039
happened in chicago

688
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,559
last week where this guy

689
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,279
69 year old man just east he lived by

690
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,440
two miles east of

691
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,559
o'hare in portage park

692
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,720
he's out in the yard with his neighbor

693
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,320
and he looks up and he sees this thing

694
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,320
it looks like a dragon

695
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,320
i mean it's got huge wings got the body

696
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,159
with dragon you know

697
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,799
you know what people describe as a

698
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,000
dragon

699
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,520
and uh this thing he just can't believe

700
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,720
what he's looking at

701
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,520
he had no idea of the the wing humanoid

702
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,400
phenomena had been going on around there

703
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:43,360
but he saw it this thing tipped its head

704
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,240
down

705
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,960
flapped its wings twice and shot off to

706
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:48,000
the north

707
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,039
and vanished within seconds and um

708
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,880
you know he's he's there dumbfounded he

709
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,880
tells his brother about it

710
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,679
his brother gets online finds my number

711
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,600
and then the guy gives me a call

712
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,279
and he's asking me what in the hell did

713
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:05,840
i see i said you know

714
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,760
i tell you what go back to and read all

715
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,440
the sightings that have been going on in

716
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,200
chicago for the past

717
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:16,000
four or five years and when you get done

718
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,400
reading

719
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,159
if you come of any theories call me

720
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,919
because i have no idea what people are

721
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,559
saying

722
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,760
right you know so uh

723
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,520
actually this is the first dragon report

724
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,360
we got out there so

725
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,120
i don't know if this thing's changing

726
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,960
somehow or

727
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,120
uh you know i you know i guess

728
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,559
everybody's perspective

729
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,159
you know they have their own perspective

730
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:39,679
of things uh but

731
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,520
you know i i uh i think uh

732
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,720
manuel is canvassing the uh the portage

733
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:49,039
park area for other sightings

734
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,760
i do know i did get a triangle sighting

735
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,720
just about a couple blocks from the this

736
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,760
sighting

737
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,400
a couple days later so there have been

738
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:02,559
some ufo sightings there as well so

739
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,520
i don't know if that's related or not

740
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,520
very close though

741
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:10,159
you mentioned kind of the gentleman

742
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:10,799
wasn't

743
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,760
familiar with winged humanoids but this

744
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,039
thing didn't have

745
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,880
like a humanoid body this was a straight

746
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:18,559
up look dragon looking

747
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,200
guy yeah you know he used the analogy

748
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,399
um i i don't know if you have any idea

749
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,640
what do you remember the old sinclair

750
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,080
gas stations

751
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,919
yes oh okay do you remember the

752
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,360
brontosaurus

753
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,480
yeah that was their their uh mascot they

754
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,159
used to give out these little green

755
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,520
brontosaurs plastic figures

756
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,320
to their customers and that's what he

757
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,159
said it looked like

758
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,320
of course my uncle great uncle used to

759
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,919
own a sinclair station

760
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,159
so it hit me right off the bat i mean

761
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,159
and i said well yeah it looked like it

762
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,840
didn't look like a brontosaurus he said

763
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,840
yeah it looked like that big dinosaur

764
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,720
you see

765
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,600
and i said okay he said he had a a

766
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,200
viper-like head

767
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,919
and the tail had a spade-like appendage

768
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,640
to it

769
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,880
the wings were as wide as the thing was

770
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:10,960
long it had the big body

771
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,360
and there was definitely membrane wings

772
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,360
and i'm thinking well that's a dragon i

773
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,279
guess i mean you know

774
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,679
uh you know so i don't know what he saw

775
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:23,039
but that's what he said it looked like

776
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,520
in a

777
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,760
course his neighbor saw it and he said

778
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:27,600
the same thing

779
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,880
so it wasn't like it was something in

780
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:32,559
his imagination or something he

781
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,360
hallucinated

782
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,799
it was something that both of them saw

783
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,960
i have things that are on my what my

784
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,880
listeners know i call the no list

785
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,720
right i think a dragon would definitely

786
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,320
be on the yes list i want to see a

787
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,360
dragon

788
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,720
settings before

789
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,720
i you know new jersey for whatever

790
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,000
reason

791
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,399
is an area where we've had dragon

792
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,919
sightings uh you know of course you've

793
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,960
got the

794
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,960
the jersey devil which kind of looks

795
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:00,799
like a dragon i guess if you want to

796
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,240
stretch it a bit but uh i've had people

797
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,679
actually describe huge dragons

798
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,679
you know literally flying about in

799
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,279
certain areas of

800
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,799
central and southern new jersey i had

801
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,520
one out in california a couple years ago

802
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:20,159
near a casino uh this thing was flying

803
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,360
over the parking lot

804
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:24,880
casino in the valley central valley and

805
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,919
a couple people saw it

806
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,320
so what's the closest that any of these

807
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:32,080
reports have have gotten to

808
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,080
one of these creatures pretty close

809
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,200
pretty close i mean the the the one

810
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,000
one of those in new jersey he said he

811
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,760
stopped he was in his car he had stopped

812
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,720
the car

813
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,960
because he hadn't seen it fly around he

814
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
got out of the car

815
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,399
he said there was a guy that stopped the

816
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,080
car in front of him

817
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,159
and he was looking out the window he

818
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,480
said this thing swooped down and went

819
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,080
over them

820
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,200
he didn't hear anything but he felt heat

821
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,559
and wind i had

822
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,960
a witness out in california say they

823
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,120
were on the road pulling in

824
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:12,320
to the casino and this thing went over

825
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,279
the car

826
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:16,880
and ahead of them

827
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,559
and the wind that it caused

828
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,799
actually moved the car they could feel

829
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,480
it

830
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,919
so you know

831
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,399
they can't really go into the

832
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,440
hallucination

833
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,720
uh department or whatever you want to

834
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:35,919
say but

835
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,880
i don't know you know i i just don't i

836
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,799
just don't know what to say when i get

837
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,480
when i get with something like that it's

838
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,720
like okay i'll put it in the file and

839
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,720
see if anything else comes up so

840
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,960
right uh you know it's just like most of

841
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,880
the stuff we get

842
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,279
but i love that really really off the

843
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,320
wall uh

844
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,480
i mean we talk about weird but i love

845
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,480
the really weird stuff and i love that

846
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,760
the dragon reports

847
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:02,080
are very cool and the part where you

848
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,799
said

849
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,159
there's the wind and then heat i wasn't

850
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,679
expecting that part that's

851
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,480
pretty amazing actually yeah he and he

852
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,200
was pretty emphatic about the heat

853
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:16,000
the color of this actually there was i

854
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,279
think this thing it was kind of a

855
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,880
brownish-looking one

856
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,559
but there was another one where it was

857
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,480
actually red

858
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:25,840
oh that's awesome yeah so you know

859
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,679
uh you know i i i'm honestly

860
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,440
i i think i've heard everything for the

861
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,200
most part but i'm telling you every once

862
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,799
well something will come to you and like

863
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,960
oh my god you gotta shake your head

864
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:38,640
and you know that's what this whole

865
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,159
thing in chicago has been like i mean

866
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,919
i have heard of flying humanoids of

867
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,320
course mothman and that but

868
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,200
you know something for that to continue

869
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:50,240
the way it has

870
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,159
been i mean right now we're up to about

871
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:56,399
130 reports in that area

872
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:00,960
uh i'm talking about a radius of like

873
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:04,799
200 250 miles from chicago on out

874
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,640
and um we got about 130 reports that we

875
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,840
accumulated

876
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,559
that we feel were legitimate we've had a

877
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,080
lot more we've had a lot of different

878
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:15,760
stuff

879
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,840
but uh yeah uh and every time i get one

880
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,640
it's like

881
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,559
you're opening up a new chapter it's

882
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,440
like what in the hell are people seeing

883
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,519
and for the most part these people had

884
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,360
no idea this phenomenon has been going

885
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,960
on

886
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,640
you know they're so glad that they're

887
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,559
able to tell somebody who has had

888
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,799
other reports that they're they're

889
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,440
almost giddy

890
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,880
do you find that most the people that

891
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,480
specific to these

892
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,320
more mothman or humanoid sightings out

893
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,519
in chicago

894
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,840
have they gone to your site and have

895
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,600
already read a few of these reports and

896
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:51,360
that's what prompted them to contact you

897
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,399
or they found you

898
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,799
and then there afterward you're like hey

899
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,000
you might want to check out my

900
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,440
site because there's more like you

901
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,480
i after the first couple months of the

902
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,880
sightings in 2017 now of course we had

903
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,200
some in 2011 as well

904
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,559
but uh i started running an ad

905
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,679
in google uh and i put up their wing

906
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,480
humanoids

907
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,440
mothman chicago mothman and i put it up

908
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,120
there

909
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,960
figuring that people did actually get on

910
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:23,039
there and start searching for it would

911
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,240
come up and it

912
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:27,120
has been where they've been coming from

913
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,760
you know

914
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,360
they of course they probably get on

915
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,679
google and say man with wings

916
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,760
and figured that nothing's going to come

917
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,600
up but when that google ad comes up

918
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,799
there

919
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:39,360
saying you know ex you know describing

920
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,000
something that

921
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,880
they actually saw yeah you know they're

922
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,840
coming

923
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,279
call right away yeah

924
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:48,960
and i've gotten a lot of calls within

925
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,399
like a half hour in the sightings

926
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,320
well see now if that doesn't tell you

927
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:55,840
that something's really going on because

928
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,320
you're not

929
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,000
getting one guy here and then three

930
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:59,760
weeks later one guy over there you're

931
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,240
getting

932
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:03,039
several calls the same day from that

933
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:03,840
same area

934
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,880
so that says a lot doesn't it yeah and

935
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:07,760
of course

936
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:11,119
the witness the witnesses have been very

937
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,320
diverse

938
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:15,520
we've had police officers uh i've talked

939
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,839
to

940
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:18,079
a few police officers off record who

941
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:18,960
didn't want

942
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,000
any anything said about you actually had

943
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,760
encounters uh our cops are telling me

944
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:27,679
that people have told them

945
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,879
of what they had experienced uh

946
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,720
of course with all these these sightings

947
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,440
in around o'hara airport the past

948
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:38,960
18 months or so we have uh

949
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,040
tsa people security people

950
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,560
uh pilots

951
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,200
transit drivers and air traffic

952
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,839
controllers

953
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,639
so you know they're coming forward now

954
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,399
o'hara has been really pushing back on

955
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,599
people you know

956
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,680
a lot of times these people will make

957
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,920
will state something to a supervisor and

958
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,960
say look

959
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,880
i saw this and this out in the tarmac

960
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,200
are out out and about and

961
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,720
they tell them well you just saw a big

962
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,200
al don't report to anybody

963
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,280
and there's a oh well you know that's

964
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,520
that's crap so they're you know they do

965
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,760
come forward you know we've been very

966
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:18,640
good about keeping

967
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,599
it uh confidential but uh

968
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,440
the one phenomena that has happened

969
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,119
since then is

970
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,800
and i've talked to security people out

971
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,880
there they've been pulling people off

972
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,960
the property and arresting people

973
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,880
who are doing their own paranormal

974
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,160
investigation of the

975
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,960
the harem mothman so there's been a lot

976
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,640
of that out there as well

977
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,599
wow yeah that's really heating up out

978
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,280
there well as you mentioned too i mean

979
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,800
tobias is out there

980
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,320
at tobias and emily are out there with

981
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,320
uh small town monsters right now so

982
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,960
uh crossing our fingers that maybe maybe

983
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,320
they actually get to see something

984
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,119
live and in person well emmanuel

985
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,200
navarette he actually had a sighting he

986
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,960
was out there doing an investigation of

987
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:02,640
a sighting out of air

988
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,079
and he saw something so uh

989
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,520
you know what he saw how close was it

990
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,079
uh it was he saw it actually coming down

991
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:14,480
and landing on top of a building

992
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:18,720
out at the airport that's cool

993
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,880
yeah so um yeah

994
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,720
so i tell you you've had a lot you've

995
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:26,480
heard a lot of sasquatch stories in the

996
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,200
past

997
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,800
what's the strangest one you've ever

998
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:30,240
heard

999
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,589
gosh strange that that one put me on the

1000
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,119
spot there long that's

1001
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,320
way your favorite let's do it that way

1002
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,000
all right that that's maybe maybe a

1003
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,760
little better like strange i've heard so

1004
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,320
many

1005
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,320
that some of them each have i guess

1006
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,560
they're all strange

1007
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,720
yeah they each have their own little

1008
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,839
kind of oddity

1009
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:00,560
i mean of course i've i've heard of you

1010
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,040
know

1011
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,800
bigfoot kind of being around orbs and

1012
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,760
things um i've had my own orb experience

1013
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,359
while out bigfooting i didn't see a

1014
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,119
bigfoot never have but i had my own

1015
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,960
orb experience while out bigfooting but

1016
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,320
that's a whole nother story

1017
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:16,079
but um i would say that and actually

1018
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,800
this may be

1019
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,760
a little bit strange and scary uh all

1020
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,520
kind of rolled into one

1021
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,680
but it happened in bear mountain state

1022
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,800
park in

1023
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,599
new york state and this gentleman named

1024
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,160
chris

1025
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,200
he was part of a day camp situation

1026
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,359
with some other kids so you know they'd

1027
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,119
bus out they'd go to a location and come

1028
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,560
back home the same day

1029
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,480
and they're a bear mountain for some

1030
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,160
hiking around

1031
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,680
and he admits that he was he was

1032
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,240
younger and he wanted to be a little bit

1033
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,680
on the naughty side so he

1034
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,839
and another young man went off to smoke

1035
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,119
a cigarette

1036
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,599
with the counselors so that's what they

1037
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,359
decided to do

1038
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,560
and when they figured they were far

1039
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,720
enough away to not get in trouble

1040
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,359
they went to light up or pardon me his

1041
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,480
friend went to light up

1042
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:05,359
and they're facing each other and the

1043
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,839
friend

1044
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
is like going like this and looks up and

1045
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:10,800
just stops what he's doing

1046
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,839
he drops the cigarette and the lighter

1047
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,359
and bolts

1048
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,680
back the direction that he came so chris

1049
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,520
is left there standing alone going what

1050
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,040
is your problem

1051
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:24,400
so he turns around and what he sees

1052
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:28,800
is a he estimates about 10 foot tall

1053
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:32,079
gray in color sasquatch

1054
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:36,000
and it is within i believe he said about

1055
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,640
10 feet

1056
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:39,599
so incredibly shockingly close for this

1057
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,079
thing

1058
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:43,280
that size uh and if and no one's ever

1059
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,240
taken a

1060
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,480
a measuring tape and just taking it 10

1061
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,359
feet up i

1062
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,280
encourage you to do so it would be quite

1063
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:50,480
shocking to see something

1064
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:53,920
that tall so in one hand

1065
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,520
this sasquatch is holding a

1066
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,839
something implement of clothing a

1067
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,119
blanket something

1068
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,599
ripped up torn up right in one hand in

1069
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:05,200
the other hand

1070
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,280
is the bottom half of a medium-sized dog

1071
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,400
uh just just the one half of this dog

1072
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:15,280
and the entrails are kind of hanging out

1073
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:15,760
and

1074
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,040
um it is a horrifying scene for

1075
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,960
chris and this episode was entitled

1076
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,119
scarface because this particular

1077
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,560
sasquatch had a

1078
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,680
massive scar that went down over one eye

1079
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,599
and all the way down the side of his

1080
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,440
cheek area so

1081
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,000
you know that's that's kind of a an

1082
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,079
interesting aspect to think of you know

1083
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,720
we see just glimpses of these things or

1084
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,880
we get reports of just glimpses but what

1085
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,560
are their lives really like like how did

1086
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,520
he get that scar

1087
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,200
you know i was at a fight with another

1088
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,119
bigfoot or a dog man or

1089
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,800
climbing a tree and he's just clumsy

1090
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,359
that would be me so i

1091
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,760
those are the the little tidbits in a

1092
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,880
story

1093
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:59,359
you're kind of going why would chris

1094
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,320
make that part up

1095
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,000
you know like that's just such a weird

1096
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,319
thing to to bring up

1097
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:07,920
um so the scar i think and not the

1098
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,680
i'm diminishing the dog or the implement

1099
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,040
which i'll get back to that in a second

1100
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,119
but i just think that the whole

1101
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,599
he said is a really horrible scar uh

1102
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,560
that was a pretty

1103
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:21,440
cool part of that story the the

1104
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,240
implement

1105
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,839
of clothing or fabric i should say

1106
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,560
i keep calling it clothing the fabric he

1107
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,839
said that bothered him more than

1108
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,359
anything because he's like

1109
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,440
was that the dog's blanket was that

1110
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,359
someone's clothing you know was that the

1111
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,680
dog's owner's clothing or something what

1112
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,560
is going on

1113
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,599
with that that piece of fabric so

1114
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,440
that's one of my favorite i think

1115
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,800
sasquatch encounters

1116
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,800
uh told on my show it was in fact told

1117
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,119
first on sasquatch chronicles many many

1118
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,680
years ago

1119
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,680
but uh he actually came back on with me

1120
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,040
for for itf

1121
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,040
so that's one of my favorite sasquatch

1122
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:58,640
encounters and not not great for chris

1123
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,960
though

1124
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,359
obviously he was a terrifying situation

1125
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:03,040
for him he stood there for a few seconds

1126
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:03,920
and

1127
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,599
tried to

1128
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,480
talk to his friend that had left him uh

1129
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,079
so ceremoniously

1130
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,599
uh the kid wouldn't talk he was

1131
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,280
traumatized and still to this day

1132
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,599
kid will not or the guy he's a guy now

1133
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,480
he's a man

1134
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,760
uh he won't talk about it so

1135
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,960
you know um you know i've had

1136
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,440
literally thousands of bigfoot reports

1137
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,760
but you know the gory

1138
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,800
in the gory aspects of a bigfoot

1139
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,839
encounter you don't

1140
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,599
hear a whole lot of that and you think

1141
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,079
you probably would

1142
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:41,119
uh even something descriptive as as the

1143
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
uh

1144
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,920
as a scar that he was lucky enough to

1145
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,560
get close to that thing to see that scar

1146
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,119
uh but no you you don't you don't get a

1147
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:50,960
lot of reports

1148
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:54,400
that have something attached to it that

1149
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,079
really hits home with

1150
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,400
you know the actual sighting itself

1151
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,839
right that that's an interesting

1152
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:02,640
sighting uh

1153
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:06,480
you know and then you think

1154
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,400
did this did this bigfoot rip this dog

1155
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,800
after he ripped the owner apart or what

1156
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,240
what happened you know

1157
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,240
right yeah and that's what really

1158
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,160
bothered chris about that

1159
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,160
and not even just i mean obviously being

1160
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,760
that close to a sasquatch

1161
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,800
would be humbling to say the least uh

1162
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,440
but that he's like i just don't know

1163
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,200
what that piece of fabric was after all

1164
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,880
these years and i i still wonder about

1165
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,040
that and he didn't go

1166
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,640
as we've heard many times he didn't go

1167
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:36,079
back in the woods for quite a long time

1168
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,880
but

1169
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,520
it actually kind of became a bug in his

1170
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:41,440
ear and almost an obsession and he did

1171
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,000
end up

1172
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,160
starting to go out and and do more

1173
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,000
investigations for bigfoot so

1174
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:48,160
and you hear that all the time right lon

1175
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,040
i mean either

1176
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,599
yeah it's a fire or you're like i'm

1177
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,119
moving to a condo in the middle of the

1178
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:54,480
city and i'm never going in the woods

1179
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:54,960
again

1180
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,359
so it goes either way well i tell you

1181
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,880
uh i have never i used to hunt a lot i

1182
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,839
used to hunt

1183
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,280
a lot when i was younger and i have

1184
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,880
never been back out in the woods with a

1185
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599
gun ever since i had my encounter

1186
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,079
yeah that's a fact now i don't know if

1187
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,160
it's because of that

1188
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,240
i don't know it's because my wife didn't

1189
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,560
like me going hunting or what it was

1190
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,760
but i i really have not been out in the

1191
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,520
woods or even any at the fields or

1192
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,000
anything doing

1193
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,359
any hunting since then um

1194
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,800
and i've been quite frank with you i um

1195
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,040
i'd really had to second guess about

1196
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,880
going out into an area where i

1197
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,599
really don't know what's the area itself

1198
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,720
and

1199
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,160
alone in in doing something like that

1200
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,880
uh there just seems you hear a lot of

1201
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,800
different stories of a lot of different

1202
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,240
things

1203
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,839
and uh some of these stories are

1204
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,560
horrifying

1205
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,359
and it makes you would second i would

1206
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,720
second guess going back

1207
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,040
out there you know that's just me you

1208
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,960
know if i had somebody had butch and

1209
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,880
sean with me or something yeah okay

1210
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,599
we'll do that but you know

1211
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,760
you know i'd be very wary of going out

1212
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,760
into one of these areas again

1213
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,760
yeah that's a good point with the

1214
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,680
weapons because uh

1215
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,520
that's something comes up all the time

1216
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,040
people go well uh

1217
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:21,760
did i see the bigfoot because i had a

1218
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,319
weapon

1219
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,800
or you know it's it is really a gray

1220
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,160
area because you

1221
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,680
you really should carry if you're going

1222
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,760
into the woods but there's crazy people

1223
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,000
and there's uh mountain lions and all

1224
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,079
sorts of the things that we

1225
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,839
were very familiar with uh but

1226
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,760
i think they know what a gun is of

1227
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,280
course they do sure they do

1228
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,359
not what it is so it does make you

1229
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,440
wonder do it does it draw them in or

1230
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,640
does it scare them off i

1231
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,359
i i don't know and i thought about that

1232
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,800
a lot because a lot of these upright

1233
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,319
canine settings have been made by

1234
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,280
hunters

1235
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:56,160
who are fully armed with sidearms and a

1236
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,119
rifle

1237
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,720
and they'll walk up on one of these

1238
00:45:01,109 --> 00:45:00,240
things and this thing will stand its

1239
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,119
ground and look

1240
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,440
you know staring down and they have no

1241
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,520
no thoughts of taking a shot at this

1242
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:08,800
thing

1243
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,390
interest sound or some type of

1244
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,160
infrasound that that

1245
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,119
coming from the beast that causes this

1246
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,119
for them to back off or not do that you

1247
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,400
know there's been a lot of theories

1248
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,520
about that

1249
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
that a bigfoot or an upright cane or

1250
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:29,280
other cryptids have the ability to kind

1251
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,599
of

1252
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,800
uh get in your head and try to talk you

1253
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,200
down

1254
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:36,319
or try to get you back away but i i

1255
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,040
think

1256
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,960
for the most part when you're shocked

1257
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,839
enough to see something like that

1258
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,280
i think you'd have to second guess

1259
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,000
taking a pop shot at it

1260
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,560
oh yeah and you hear the the people that

1261
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,440
are going

1262
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,680
i had the biggest gun with the biggest

1263
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:53,280
rounds because i was hunting something

1264
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,000
large

1265
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,240
right and they go even with a really

1266
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,119
really good shot a well-placed shot it

1267
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,640
still wouldn't have been enough i just

1268
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:04,240
would have pissed this thing off

1269
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,640
yeah yep you're right

1270
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,920
you know i don't think i've talked to

1271
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,839
you since the first

1272
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,960
on the trail of ufos came out which by

1273
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,760
the way

1274
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,920
if you have people you have not seen it

1275
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:19,280
i know it's about a year and a half two

1276
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,079
years old

1277
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,079
it is excellent you know butch was

1278
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,079
involved with one butchen

1279
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,839
uh sean were involved with one of the

1280
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,000
episodes

1281
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,480
uh but you did such a good job i swear

1282
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:32,560
it was very interesting

1283
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,839
uh it i can't

1284
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:38,160
imagine how the second one's gonna be so

1285
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,359
you give me an idea

1286
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:42,000
what is this second one entails a bit

1287
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,560
you know

1288
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,560
i don't say too much because i don't

1289
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,160
want you getting in trouble but

1290
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,240
give us an idea of what the second the

1291
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
second uh version of

1292
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,640
the trail of ufos is gonna be like yeah

1293
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
thanks lon

1294
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,440
yeah that that first season did turn out

1295
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,119
awesome and i feel good

1296
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,440
i've seen the final cut of season two

1297
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,040
and i'm just i'm super excited for

1298
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,800
everybody to see it i really really am

1299
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,240
and i know that that sounds silly

1300
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
because i'm actually in it so obviously

1301
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,280
i'm gonna say that but this one is

1302
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,880
really really good guys so i'm very

1303
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:10,640
excited about it but

1304
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,560
we uh we're mostly hanging out in

1305
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,880
a lot of west virginia which all of us

1306
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:18,640
have agreed is just one of our favorite

1307
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,200
states

1308
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,240
it's just so diverse and

1309
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,559
from the people they're so nice to the

1310
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,839
landscape

1311
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,880
and it's got a ton of cool weird stuff

1312
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,240
going on there

1313
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:33,440
and the ufo reports that we got first

1314
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,160
hand

1315
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,079
were some of my favorites that i've ever

1316
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,079
heard uh and actually

1317
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,000
one of my favorite witnesses was kenneth

1318
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,240
and you'll be seeing a lot of him

1319
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:44,559
in season two and we actually saw

1320
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,280
kenneth again

1321
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,520
on this very last trip that we went on a

1322
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,960
few weeks ago

1323
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:52,240
and found us in an actual uh cave it was

1324
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,119
my first time

1325
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,000
in a legitimate cave i saw a picture on

1326
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:58,000
your on your facebook page of you in the

1327
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,880
cave

1328
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:01,599
so yeah you didn't look too thrilled it

1329
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,319
was

1330
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:04,800
it's the first time that uh they've got

1331
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,790
the the smelling of the cave was

1332
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,119
right above our heads essentially we at

1333
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,480
some points we were kind of duck

1334
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:17,599
crawling

1335
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,599
um very ceremoniously to get to an open

1336
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,119
spot in the cave and one of the guys

1337
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:24,720
goes hey shannon look up

1338
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,920
and look up and there are at first i

1339
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:29,119
thought they were all spiders but they

1340
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,640
were cave crickets which look

1341
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,559
suspiciously just like spiders they're

1342
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,520
hideous

1343
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,400
and then we saw the black widows um so

1344
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:38,160
shannon is officially on film screaming

1345
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,880
like a girl

1346
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,680
yeah i'm big time busted i'm not super

1347
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,640
girly

1348
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,720
um a lot of people that know me probably

1349
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:45,680
know that

1350
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,119
but uh yeah uh the the screams came out

1351
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,800
on that one not not

1352
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,800
not long peeling ones or anything too

1353
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,079
dramatic but um

1354
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,119
no we've got a lot of very unique

1355
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,800
reports coming out for season two

1356
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:01,359
and there was a really cool pattern that

1357
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,000
you know it's been

1358
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,720
postulated before but there was a

1359
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,559
pattern that we we kind of

1360
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,880
figured out for this whole thing which

1361
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,680
it it

1362
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,960
lends to other theories about where they

1363
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,839
might be from

1364
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,119
what they might be doing here as far as

1365
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,720
um the who why what

1366
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,640
and and where is really what we were

1367
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,720
trying to cover for

1368
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:27,839
for season two and uh i

1369
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,440
may have had kind of my own siding

1370
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:34,480
in there too so yeah yeah it'll be out

1371
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,359
this summer so

1372
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,040
i really hope that everybody checks that

1373
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,480
out it's going to be

1374
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,520
on most uh vod platforms

1375
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,240
and i'm sure back on amazon prime as

1376
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,520
well

1377
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,319
yeah i um you know with this so-called

1378
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,559
disclosure coming forth

1379
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,400
supposedly next month and they've been

1380
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,640
kind of talking it up

1381
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,800
uh you know i i don't know what to

1382
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,680
expect

1383
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,480
but you know when i read that i read

1384
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:01,599
that article that came

1385
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,480
out last week where former astronaut

1386
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,240
literally said

1387
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,640
that if you think aliens and ufos are

1388
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,079
tied together you got another thing

1389
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,520
coming i mean he just

1390
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,839
comes right out there and says that

1391
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,480
aliens and ufos are not connected

1392
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,079
so the first thing you're thinking is

1393
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,000
well okay

1394
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,480
so what what what's going on you know

1395
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:24,720
what are we people are seeing

1396
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,640
uh you know i i'm i'm not really

1397
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:31,920
sold on the idea of uh interglass

1398
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,119
galactic vehicles coming through space

1399
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,960
and showing up here

1400
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,079
i i think um i think a lot of the lights

1401
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:42,000
and stuff that we do see

1402
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,440
can be explained away somehow

1403
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,200
but i think and i don't know if you've

1404
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,480
covered this in in

1405
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,760
in the uh in the film but i think a lot

1406
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,119
of it has to do with

1407
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,040
uh portal or wormhole travel and these

1408
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,960
these craft are coming through somehow

1409
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,800
we'll see and and isn't that interesting

1410
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,079
what he said that

1411
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,079
they're just not tied in at all because

1412
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,440
then does that mean

1413
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,119
and i know that you've talked about

1414
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,280
things like this does that then mean

1415
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:14,559
that these craft are all um

1416
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,839
in between uh government craft or

1417
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,400
you know futuristic craft of human

1418
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,760
beings so straight up it's us in the

1419
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,280
future coming back we're you know

1420
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,880
whatever we're high fiving whoever

1421
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,640
is here for whatever reason and then the

1422
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,160
et's then

1423
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,720
classic grays you know or these other

1424
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,520
beings

1425
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:34,240
then our people have labeled them

1426
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,040
demonic

1427
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,440
right they say that you know these

1428
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:39,599
demonic entities and other such things

1429
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,319
that are

1430
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,839
really quite dark and nasty and you

1431
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,839
don't want to round they can

1432
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,440
they can change in any shape that they

1433
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,000
want and a lot of times we hear

1434
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,599
uh not a lot of times occasionally you

1435
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:52,079
will hear once people have a sighting of

1436
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,880
a craft

1437
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,400
then they'll start to have kind of these

1438
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:56,400
abduction scenarios or the starts the

1439
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,119
grey's nerve

1440
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:59,200
but they also have poltergeist activity

1441
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,480
like straight up

1442
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,480
classic poltergeist activity things

1443
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,559
moving and they don't see a gray moving

1444
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,839
it it's just

1445
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,599
straight up culture rice activity so i'm

1446
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,280
not sure what to make of that i'm glad

1447
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,960
you brought that up because

1448
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,280
poltergeist activity on a lot in a lot

1449
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,720
of instances

1450
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,720
it's tied to ufo sightings i for

1451
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,160
whatever reason

1452
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,760
you know i've talked to people who have

1453
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,839
had poltergeists activity

1454
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,839
in their home or wherever around them

1455
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:24,960
and

1456
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:29,040
many of them have had ufo sightings

1457
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,240
like i said again i don't know if

1458
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,559
there's a connection

1459
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:36,640
many abduction scenarios that i have

1460
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,839
been privy to and talk to people do not

1461
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:41,119
happen

1462
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,599
or have no relevance with a crap or ufo

1463
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,440
it's usually where something will come

1464
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,440
into the into the room

1465
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,559
where they're at or somewhere else and

1466
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,839
they would see these beings but they

1467
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,480
will not

1468
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,480
see a craft and you know they'll go

1469
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,480
somewhere but they don't know if it's a

1470
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,000
craft or what it is

1471
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,640
right you know i you know when i heard

1472
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,559
that statement by that astronaut

1473
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,839
i was thinking to myself that well

1474
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:12,720
maybe he's just saying this to kind of

1475
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:13,119
tamp

1476
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,240
down the expectations i don't know

1477
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,400
uh i don't i don't really think that

1478
00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:19,760
we're ever going to get

1479
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,079
much out of the government as far as uh

1480
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,079
extraterrestrials or alien beings and

1481
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:27,520
such i don't think that's going to

1482
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:28,160
happen

1483
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,839
i think a lot of people hope that's

1484
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,520
going to happen or maybe

1485
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:33,680
be something that's involved with this

1486
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,960
so-called disclosure that we're getting

1487
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,839
but uh you know when people ask me what

1488
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:41,359
to expect

1489
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,800
you know what forthcoming i i just

1490
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:47,119
say you know don't get your hopes up

1491
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,319
because i just don't think they're going

1492
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,559
to tell you but so much

1493
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,280
yeah and george knapp and jeremy corbell

1494
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:55,040
just came out with that stuff on mystery

1495
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,599
wire

1496
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,559
another radar you know situation with

1497
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,480
all these bogeys and the radar operators

1498
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,079
are talking about it

1499
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,359
and it is a cool video and you do kind

1500
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:07,040
of have to watch the breakdown to really

1501
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:08,480
understand what you're looking at unless

1502
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,280
you're a

1503
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,359
military radar operator of some sort it

1504
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,800
may be a little tough

1505
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:16,079
but it's not that it's a total letdown

1506
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,119
but i was

1507
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,119
you know in my brain i'm kind of going

1508
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:21,599
where's the alien body video where's the

1509
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,640
interview with a

1510
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,520
you know i want that might be kind of

1511
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,520
dark of me but i am totally on board

1512
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,040
with you i'm going

1513
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,720
they know we can't handle that if if

1514
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:32,240
that's out there i don't i just don't

1515
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:33,119
know that

1516
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,599
ready for that

1517
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,280
well that may very well be you know i

1518
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,880
have some i've heard some real horror

1519
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,400
stories over the years you know i even

1520
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,160
wrote a book about it

1521
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,000
that you know i don't expect the

1522
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:48,720
government to disclose much about aliens

1523
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,400
uh the the only

1524
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:54,960
exposure that you're going to get is

1525
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,480
going to come from experiencers and um

1526
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,760
you know i don't think it's going to go

1527
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:01,760
too far beyond that but

1528
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,240
i do believe that there are alien beings

1529
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,760
i do believe

1530
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,440
that people have had encounters with

1531
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,880
them you know some of the evidence i've

1532
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,359
gotten from david eckhart over the years

1533
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,359
has convinced me that there's something

1534
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,720
going on

1535
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,000
you know um i've had encounters

1536
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,200
you know i've had one real strong

1537
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:23,680
encounter and i had another one later

1538
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:27,280
and uh it's always it's been difficult

1539
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,000
for me to

1540
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,799
realize what i actually saw or was told

1541
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,480
and i was told a lot of different things

1542
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,359
but

1543
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,480
you know when you come out of it and

1544
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:38,000
then when you're sitting there thinking

1545
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,640
about

1546
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,760
what happened during the encounter

1547
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,760
you kind of second-guess yourself that's

1548
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,839
why i think a lot of people

1549
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,079
are so confused by you know if you're

1550
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,240
not used to

1551
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,240
dealing with this with other people's

1552
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,359
experiences i

1553
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,839
i think when it happens to you first of

1554
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,640
all

1555
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,640
you're shocked you're scared to death

1556
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,359
what had probably happened

1557
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,079
but you just had difficulty explaining

1558
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:06,480
it especially to someone else

1559
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,559
uh let alone understanding it and um

1560
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,480
but i do think i do think it's a real

1561
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,920
phenomena i really do

1562
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:15,920
i mean you know i i don't discount

1563
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,280
people uh you know when i get a report

1564
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,960
the first thing i'm thinking is you know

1565
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:22,880
when they take the time to contact

1566
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,480
me i'm part of their experience now

1567
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,880
yes and it's my obligation to tell it

1568
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,799
like they told it

1569
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:33,119
not to question them and you know until

1570
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:34,160
i find out

1571
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:37,920
otherwise you know and uh

1572
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:40,720
i i'd say 99 of the things i've been

1573
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:44,079
told over the years

1574
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,839
believable i mean i i think they're

1575
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,119
tangible and i think they're believable

1576
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,720
you know you're talking about strange

1577
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:52,240
sasquatch experiences

1578
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,240
and not that not that every

1579
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,720
quote unquote et or alien or ufo

1580
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,000
encounter isn't

1581
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,920
strange in its own way and each bigfoot

1582
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,240
encounter is as well

1583
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:05,920
and other subjects sorry guys not to

1584
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,799
leave everybody else out but

1585
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
i don't know if you've ever talked to

1586
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,480
chad and alta dillard or heard their

1587
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,520
experiences but

1588
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:16,160
just a quick snapshot they've had

1589
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,520
several experiences but

1590
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,880
i think the very first one they had they

1591
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,960
were in new orleans and

1592
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,599
they were out on a busy road and they

1593
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,880
you know again a snapshot

1594
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,640
they were taken up into what they

1595
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,200
perceived was a craft

1596
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,319
and chad was in one of

1597
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,240
these quote-unquote rooms of this craft

1598
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,839
and he could actually see outside see

1599
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,280
the stars and he got

1600
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,960
the sense that he was in fact up in

1601
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:40,400
space and

1602
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,400
he saw in this very stark room

1603
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,760
just uh alone like a regular recliner

1604
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,640
like a brown

1605
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,640
chair or something like just a chair

1606
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,079
normal chair

1607
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:54,640
but he he knew and he got the sense that

1608
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,119
he

1609
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,640
that chair

1610
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:01,680
it's just very random uh thing

1611
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,040
and that popped into my head as far as

1612
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,319
what is a very strange aspect to

1613
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:11,119
really what is a classic i was taken

1614
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,000
into the sky

1615
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:14,079
by things that i didn't i i didn't know

1616
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,200
what they were

1617
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,440
uh he actually saw a human being on that

1618
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,040
craft and all this stuff but

1619
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,960
that chair thing always stuck with me

1620
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,240
him going

1621
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:24,160
i knew i shouldn't sit in the chair so i

1622
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,630
yeah some of some of these things you

1623
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,799
hear just

1624
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:37,520
they're hard to comprehend i i guess but

1625
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,400
uh

1626
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:41,200
you know you know i've got beyond the

1627
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:42,480
point where

1628
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:45,760
i get a get a sighting or

1629
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,000
a report or an experience from a witness

1630
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,880
and i hedge on putting it out there for

1631
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,960
consumption you know

1632
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,559
i'm not worried about what people think

1633
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,640
anymore you know

1634
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,680
i i i do my diligence to

1635
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,400
put it out there get people to try and

1636
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:05,839
understand what happened

1637
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,040
but uh you know i'm not letting it i

1638
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,720
don't let it bother me more it just kind

1639
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,680
of rolls off the

1640
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,960
off my back now no you can't and really

1641
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,240
those are the

1642
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,920
at the time you're kind of going

1643
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,680
wow that's really that is weird and

1644
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:23,040
interesting and cool and

1645
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,079
i don't know what to make of that but

1646
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,680
those are the data points that need to

1647
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,240
be out there because there might just be

1648
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,040
somebody listening even a year or five

1649
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,280
years or ten years from now and go

1650
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:35,680
oh my gosh i had that exact same

1651
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,640
experience

1652
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,640
you know and their mind is blown and

1653
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,760
they're gonna they're gonna get in

1654
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,599
contact with you and now you've

1655
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,359
you've got a new thread to follow which

1656
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,280
we've got about how many now long we

1657
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,640
probably got about a million threads to

1658
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,280
follow but that's okay yeah

1659
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,400
yeah so shannon uh

1660
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,799
tell the folks what books you got coming

1661
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,079
out soon

1662
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,839
what else to expect from small town

1663
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,480
monsters and uh

1664
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,920
whatever you can think of whatever you

1665
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,520
want people to know about and how to get

1666
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:04,960
onto your website

1667
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,559
absolutely so uh website is into the

1668
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,040
frayradio.com

1669
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,440
and i have a of course i'm on facebook

1670
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,599
twitter and instagram for myself and

1671
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,960
into the fray

1672
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:16,640
and as far as the books the ones that

1673
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,440
are out is beyond the fray bigfoot and

1674
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:21,599
beyond the fray paramagamation

1675
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:24,160
and i am right now we are in the process

1676
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,040
jeff and i

1677
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,280
of compiling more bigfoot stories for

1678
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,040
beyond the fray bigfoot part

1679
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:32,000
two so uh really looking for more

1680
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,119
bigfoot stories

1681
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,839
for that upcoming and then for small

1682
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,240
town monsters i know of a trip that i

1683
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,839
will be going on but i am not

1684
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,760
sure if i'm allowed to say where that is

1685
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,359
right now so that's cool

1686
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,839
shouldn't i apologize but yeah there is

1687
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,680
definitely more coming up from small

1688
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,960
town monsters which is going to be

1689
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,319
really exciting

1690
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,799
well like i told you before i hope at

1691
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,319
some point you and i can do an

1692
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,240
investigation or do a

1693
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,640
do a production together or something to

1694
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,400
add to that effect

1695
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,880
uh i definitely want you to come back on

1696
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,240
the show

1697
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,960
quicker than you have been before uh so

1698
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:09,040
we can cover some things uh

1699
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,480
i'm always available to come home with

1700
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,880
you and and i just do enjoy

1701
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,200
talking to y'all i've always had a good

1702
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,200
time talking to you you're

1703
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:20,319
you you you kind of i don't know you

1704
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,799
kind of

1705
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,400
get it you know let's put it that way

1706
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,799
you understand so uh

1707
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,799
thanks again for coming on tonight

1708
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,559
keaton contact let me know what's going

1709
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,799
on and we will be talking soon

1710
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,200
absolutely on thank you so much okay you

1711
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:35,040
take care and have a good weekend

1712
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,280
all right everybody be safe out there

1713
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,359
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1714
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,040
of sighting feel free to contact me

1715
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:44,480
through the families of monsters blog

1716
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,280
site

1717
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,280
i once again thank shannon legrove for

1718
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
joining me this evening

1719
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,880
and thanks to each and all of you for

1720
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,040
watching and chatting if you made a

1721
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:54,960
super chat donation

1722
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,760
it's truly appreciated your support is

1723
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,760
what makes all this possible so please

1724
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,240
like subscribe and share

1725
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,720
uh until next week and i think i think

1726
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,119
ken gerhart is our guest next week

1727
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,880
so that should be a great show so stay

1728
01:02:20,790 --> 01:02:11,119
healthy have a safe and enjoyable

1729
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:20,800
weekend good night

1730
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:58,480
[Applause]